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Reflection - Trust and Betrayal by antomori Reflection - Trust and Betrayal by antomori
Kaoru Kamiya - Kenshin Himura - Tomoe Yukishiro. Rurouni Kenshin/Samurai X
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Thepenguinrapist Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
I don't like when people view Tomoe and Kaoru as rivals. They were totally different people in completely different parts of Kenshin's life. A man can love more than one woman in his life without betraying the memory of one over the other. Kenshin loved them both for differing reasons, and that is what I love about the story: Kaoru helps Kenshin find true peace by disregarding his past and accepting him, teaching him to finally see his own worth as a human being again for the first time in a decade. Tomoe taught Kenshin of a life besides that of a murderer and that one cannot keep on fighting forever. He met the sad Tomoe in bloody chaos of the revolution, and Kaoru in the peaceful times of the Meiji, each woman's demeanor reflecting the era when they met and fell in love with Kenshin.
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Snowflower--Chan00 Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2013   Writer
This is lovely! PICK TOMOE! You guys have to see my version of her. She is a kick butt assassin! XD. Yeah she lived.
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kyoandyuya Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2015
Too pathetic to be reconsidered. Only fanfictions make her awesome.
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Snowflower--Chan00 Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2015   Writer
Tomoe is awesome in her own way, Kaoru was captured a billion times, and tomoe was caught once, at least Tomoe tried to fight back against her assailants. How do you really know Tomoe's character? Her life was tragically taken from her at an early age, she could have turned out into an awesome character. Only fanfictions make Kaoru epic and less of a damsel in distress.

(Has seen the anime, read the manga too) Hypocritical people like you make me sick! 
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kyoandyuya Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2015
Cat got your tongue? Please analyze everything first before you make dumb comments. No, I disagree! Roll Eyes 
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Snowflower--Chan00 Featured By Owner Aug 29, 2015   Writer
Nope, been busy with college. I'm pretty sure you're too stupid fur one. How you manage to get dress everyday is a magical wonder to me! And maybe your friends and family too. Please do the same, before you hurt yourself as trying to think. I know it's a challenge for you, but you need to try!
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kyoandyuya Featured By Owner Aug 30, 2015
Oh? And who are you to make such comments? Please. It's not me who just make such assumptions of something totally far from what is really intended on a fictional character. Besides, it's like the pot calling the kettle black. Why don't you take your advice to yourself first?
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Snowflower--Chan00 Featured By Owner Aug 30, 2015   Writer
Nah, I really think you need it more, because as much I as think Kaoru literally is a damsel in distress, and should have been a more stronger fighter, than portrayed in the anime and some scenes in the manga, I still like her character. Still doesn't change my opinion on how I feel about Tomoe. 
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kyoandyuya Featured By Owner Edited Aug 30, 2015
Oh, have you been hearing yourself? You need it more. Kaoru is already strong but because she was nowhere near Kenshin's level and anyone in his league for that matter, she seems helpless. Tomoe is THE damsel in distress here. Say what you will, but that is the truth. She would even be useless had she been in Kaoru's position in the Kyoto arc. She would just wait on Kenshin like the damsel she is. I don't really care much about Tomoe, only her place as Kenshin's first wife and how she had played as the role that made them come together.
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kyoandyuya Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2015
Oh? Please don't make me laugh. Had Tomoe lived she would be waaayyyyy worse off than Kaoru. If you still don't get it, Kaoru is far more athletic than her and can actually fight back. Too bad Watsuki downplayed her strength. I have seen the manga and never did I saw Kaoru kidnapped too many times. That's anime fillers for you. The only times she WAS kidnapped was by Jin-ei and Enishi and even then she tried to fight back and even won against Jin-ei's paralysis. Tomoe would never be able to do it had she been in her place and she wasn't a docile captive in Enishi's and tried to think how to escape nor did Tomoe possess an intelligence equal to Kenshin's. She actually defeated Kamatari using a broken bokken. A juppongatana member losing to her by a bokken and a broken one shows how strong Kaoru really is. I read the manga right to the very end so I can honestly say that what I say is very accurate. Only dumb Tomoe fans like you just like to ignore Kaoru combat prowess. 

Dumb, annoying, irrational and hypocritical fans like you disgusts me, really.
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Snowflower--Chan00 Featured By Owner Aug 29, 2015   Writer
And you know this how? What makes you so sure? Kenshin changed and so could have tomoe. If she lived. Do you know Tomoe's character personally? Enough to call the shots on how bland she supposedly still would have ended up being? Last time I checked I'm sure your not the creator of ruroni kenshin therefore have to rely on personal speculation on how tomoe would have become.
It's like you're saying kenshin would have been incapable or anyone else incapable of learning the sword. If kenshin a and Tomoe's roles were reversed. So no one else can learn the sword huh? That's logical thinking coming from you. She could have become badass and would want to protect kenshin more. For all we know. My opinion versus yours makes no difference of what could have been. Your opinion knows it all huh? Yeah right, it's not that great like mine.

Yeah kaoru is pretty awesome and yet still resorts to being the damsel for kenshin to save, ( even in the manga) yeah she can fight but I hate it when great strong female characters become weak and a damsel just for the hero to save. Kaoru is not that strong anyway, I doubt she'd win against a real murderous kunoichi who's killed more than kaoru's years of sword training.
Do not jiz your pants over a character who is semi strong compared to the real samurai world. Like I said kaoru is zero compared to the kunoichi.
She's great but not very.

Again opinion speculation.
Kaoru barely escaped enishi.
Yup combat prowess like wood trying to fight a ninja.
Stupid, irrational, ludicrous, hypocritical, narcissus like fans who don't love the story for what it is and focus on one character than loving all others is a sub to you pussy slurping fanatics. I'm not too much into kenshin like I used to be, but to worship the ground a fictional character walks on and berate another for existing is sick and wrong. Get a life and try to be a little open minded because people have differing opinions believe it or not. Your opinion isn't fact and neither is mine for that matter. Still we have differing ships. Do me a favor get your brain out of your ass!
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kyoandyuya Featured By Owner Edited Aug 30, 2015
Of course I know how Tomoe's personality to a certain extent more than I did Kaoru's since we share our introverted tendencies. I can even enlighten you why she never smiled once even if she loved Akira dearly. And also, I don't recall you being the creator of RK either. So that argument is moot point.

It's ironic that you would use Kenshin in the equation and his capability over his sword and Tomoe's when that's not really the point here and even if the situation had been reverse I doubt she would be as good as him in thinking and execution of the style. Anyone can learn but not everyone can excel. Again, shows how far lacking you can be. I said that even if canon Tomoe lived she would be captured more times than even Kaoru's and she's far too ladylike to even learn the sword. Please, read what I said first before you babble nonsense. It's a miracle you can even argue in the first place.

Again, another dumbass comment. I already said that Watsuki downplayed Kaoru's strengths and made her a damsel in distress. What part of downplayed did you not understand? It's very ironic indeed that you would diss Kaoru and exalt Tomoe as if she is a combatant when she's far from it. Bitch please.

Opinion speculation? I said that she too tried to escape Enishi. You said that Tomoe tried to fight back to her assailants and is not completely a damsel in distress but you forgot that Kaoru is far more than that herself. She analyzes everything first unlike Tomoe who just went w/o a plan and got herself killed. Kaoru certainly did not charge needlessly against Kamatari, a Juppongatana, one of the elites in Shishio's army and won against him with a broken bokken do I really need to repeat that? No one can even approach Kamatari for fear against his strength yet a girl with a broken bokken won. That's already a great achievement. "Yup combat prowess like wood trying to fight a ninja" yeah and infinitely better than a bull who only knows how to charge (Tomoe). It was all thanks to Kaoru's teaching that Yahiko got stronger worthy enough to place second in Japan. That says a lot of her intelligence and skills both as an instructor and a fighter even if she was just left in the background. Had she been trained harder and explored further, she could have approach any guys' strength and that's the truth. Watsuki intended Tomoe as a normal japanese girl: ladylike, and a yamato nadeshiko and Kaoru as: a dojo heir and instructor well as a capable fighter. He was even afraid that fans would perceive Kaoru as weak because that's not his intention. It's just the fact that she had never approach the same intense training Kenshin's opponents had and therefore more susceptible. But she is capable enough like a national champion's would be as she would win against other dojo masters. Watsuki's words not mine.

Oh please why don't you take that comments to yourself because I do like Tomoe and Kaoru but I don't like people dissing Kaoru just because some dumbass bitch think Tomoe would have been a "better" fighter. Please get your head out of the clouds. I appreciate both characters but I seriously think, how did you say it, "s
tupid, irrational, ludicrous, hypocritical, narcissus like fans who don't love the story for what it is and focus on one character than loving all others is a sub to you pussy slurping fanatics" like you don't give her justice at all. Please do us a favor and get your brain out of fantasy land and see the story and characters as it is intended. 
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Snowflower--Chan00 Featured By Owner Aug 30, 2015   Writer
A damsel in distress either way, no matter how downplayed Kaoru's character was. 

Opinions vary jackass, I really don't care that you belittle certain characters and blindly worship others. 

Last time I checked, you don't fully know the characters themselves since you are not the person who made Ruroni Kenshin. 

We can speculate all we want, but you and I will always have differing opinions, and yours is no higher than mine. 

So get over yourself. Really??? You seem to have a lot of unecessary hate for Tomoe.

And you call me, hypocritical? Please! Wake up and get your damn head of the clouds. 


Please do me and actual RK fans a favor, and get your brain out of your crazed fantasy and see the story and characters for what they are, and try to have an open mind. Be respectful to all characters no matter if you hate them or not. 

I hope you take advice and shove it. 
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kyoandyuya Featured By Owner Edited Aug 30, 2015
Infinitely better than someone who can't fight at all.

True. But a faggot who can't see the other side of the coin definitely made it worse.

True again. But at least I had a better understanding of Tomoe than someone who claims to like her but did not even analyze why she is like she is portrayed. You just think she's awesome but do you even place herself in her shoes? Or even share some traits for you to claim that you understand her? Doubt it.

"We can speculate all we want, but you and I will always have differing opinions, and yours is no higher than mine. " I certainly did not say mine is higher. It's just another of your "speculations".

YOU get over yourself. I speak the truth, by the way. I just favor Kaoru waaaayyy more and is more willing to defend her. At least she is not prone to make stupid mistakes and knows responsibility better. 

"Please do me and actual RK fans a favor, and get your brain out of your crazed fantasy and see the story and characters for what they are, and try to have an open mind. Be respectful to all characters no matter if you hate them or not. 

I hope you take advice and shove it. " Yep. The sentiment is reciprocated. It's not me who started this comparison in the first place. My opinion about Tomoe is she's pathetic. That's my opinion. I certainly did not say you have to like it.
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DarkLover33 Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2013   Writer
I like how you did this. Kinda shows how Tomoe was his past with darkness, mistrust, tragedy and bad memories, while Kaoru is his future with happiness and truth and love with Kenshin in the middle connecting the two women.
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Vrandiel Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2013  Student General Artist
awesome!
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bymekitty Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2013  Hobbyist Filmographer
nice draw :)
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